Daniel (My Judge is God)
We can learn a lot from Daniel regarding time periods. In fact the
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures has used the words "time"
and "times" approximately 85 times in just the book of Daniel itself! When
one studies the book of Daniel, one can see that it is not all in order (as
in Isaiah). In
fact, it appears that in some cases, the same point is re-illustrated or
elaborated on somewhere else in the book. I am going to do my best on
interpreting much of the book that needs clarification - and yet some of
this may need to be clarified again as the light gets brighter! Your help is
welcome. Much of it is already commonly known among
Jehovah's people and so I do not comment on most of those areas. But if someone accepts the "1914" theory, parts of Daniel
are virtually impossible to interpret correctly. If you have any questions
on the teaching of 1914, please visit the link that explains
why the teaching of 1914 is incorrect.
- "Seal up the book until the time of the end" - 12:4
- Interesting parallels between the kings of the north and south - for
Jesus' day and ours
- As of 9/15/2010, am still a bit "uneasy" about "the copper before the
feet" and believe information regarding "the king of the north" needs to be
clarified more. However, for the time being, I feel they are good enough. I
will revisit these later. - see Daniel 2:39b comments (9/18)
- For any scriptures that I have not typed in yet please visit the web
site for The New World
Translation of the Holy Scriptures.
Recent Revisions: Daniel 11:33-35 comments (9/3/2010);
comments added for the king of the north and south (9/6/2010); see
immediate above (9/15); Daniel 8:8-12 comment (9/15); Daniel 4:15-17
comment (9/19); ongoing simplifying (11/8); Daniel 11:31 comment
(11/17); Daniel 8:11-13 elaboration of "the constant [feature]"
Daniel 1:17 "And as for these children, the four of them, to them the [true] God
gave knowledge and insight in all writing and wisdom; and Daniel himself had
understanding in all sorts of visions and dreams."
Daniel 2:20-23 "Daniel was answering and saying: "Let the name of
God become blessed from time indefinite even to time indefinite, for
wisdom and mightiness--for they belong to him. and he
times and seasons, removing kings and setting up kings, giving
wisdom to the wise ones and knowledge to those knowing discernment.
He is revealing the deep things and the concealed things, knowing
what is in the darkness; and with him the light does dwell."
Daniel 2:39b "..and another kingdom, a third one, of
copper, that will rule over the whole
- I wonder why in this translation, the Hebrew word was
translated "copper" when it appears from The Interlinear
Bible and The NIV Interlinear Hebrew-English Old
Testament that it is
supposed to be "bronze" which is an alloy of copper and tin. I
personally prefer "bronze".
Daniel 2:31-45 "You, O king, happened to be beholding, and, look!
a certain immense image. That image, which was large and the
brightness of which was extraordinary, was standing in front of you,
and its appearance was dreadful. As regards that image, its head was
of good gold, its breasts and its arms were of silver, its belly and
its thighs were of copper, its legs were of iron, its feet were
partly of iron and partly of molded clay. You kept on looking until
a stone was cut out not by hands, and it struck the image on its
feet of iron and of molded clay and crushed them. At that time the
iron, the molded clay, the copper, the silver and the gold were, all
together, crushed and became like the chaff from the summer
threshing floor, and the wind carried them away so that no trace at
all was found of them. And as for the stone that struck the image,
it became a large mountain and filled the whole earth. (vs.36) "This
is the dream, and its interpretation we shall say before the king.
You, O king, the king of kings, you to whom the God of heaven has
given the kingdom, the might, and the strength and the dignity, and
into whose hand he has given, wherever the sons of mankind are
dwelling, the beasts of the field and the winged creatures of the
heavens, and whom he has made ruler over all of them, you yourself
are the head of gold. (vs.39) "And after you there will rise another
kingdom inferior to you; and another kingdom, a third one, of
copper, that will rule over the whole earth. (vs.40) "And as for the
forth kingdom, it will prove to be strong like iron. Forasmuch as
iron is crushing and grinding everything else, so, like iron that
shatters, it will crush and shatter even all these. (vs.41) "And
whereas you beheld the feet and the toes to be partly of molded clay
of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom itself will prove to be
divided, but somewhat of the hardness of iron will prove to be in
it, forasmuch as you beheld the iron mixed with moist clay. And as
for the toes of the feet being partly of iron and partly of molded
clay, the kingdom will partly prove to be strong and will partly
prove to be fragile. Whereas you beheld iron mixed with moist clay,
they will come to be mixed with the offspring of mankind; but they
will not prove to be sticking together, this one to that one, just
as iron is not mixing with molded clay. (vs.44) "And
in those days
of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will
never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed
on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these
kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; forasmuch as
you beheld that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands,
and [that] it crushed the iron, the copper, the molded clay, the
silver and the gold. The grand God himself has made known to the
king what is to occur after this. And the dream is reliable, and the
interpretation of it is trustworthy."
- I agree with most of the illustration (of the
immense image) in the Pay Attention to DANIEL'S PROPHECY
book on page 56. However, only the area of the feet should be the
described area for America and Britain and I do have my reservations
on the date for the "beginning" of the Anglo-American world power -
My guess (although I have not had the time to research it much, yet)
is that the date should be a time in which America was also
established as a "world power" ready to involve itself with world
affairs (Not 1763 A.D. as mentioned in the book). Although this happened
back in World War 1, many nations did not consider America much of a
threat or a "global power-house" even at the start of World War 2.
However, by the end of World War 2, it was established - And it was
also established that Britain was America's "partner in power". The iron and molded clay in
the feet and toes most likely represent characteristics of the dual world
power - not necessarily of the rest of the world (as indicated in
- The word "copper" should be translated "bronze" (see comment for Daniel
- Regarding the setting up of "a kingdom that will never be
brought to ruin", compare Psalms 2:2-4;
110:1; Ezekiel 17:22-24
Daniel 4:10-12 - "Now the
visions of my head upon my bed I happened to be beholding, and, look! a tree in
the midst of the earth, the height of which was immense. The tree grew up and
became strong, and its very height finally reached the heavens, and it was
visible to the extremity of the whole earth. Its foliage was fair, and its fruit
was abundant, and there was food for all on it. Under it the beast of the field would
seek shade, and on its boughs the birds of heaven would dwell, and from it all
flesh would feed itself."
- To see how this compares with the tree of "Pharaoh"
see the 1914 link.
- The tree was to be chopped
down and kept from growing for seven times (seven years). The lesson to be learned was stated in
Daniel 4:17 "By the decree of watchers the thing is, and [by] the saying of holy
ones the request is, to the intent that people living may know that the Most
High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he
gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of mankind."- See
Jehovah's org.. link.
Daniel 4:15-17 "However, LEAVE its rootstock itself in the earth,
even with a banding of iron and of copper, among the grass of the
field; and with the dew of the heavens let it be wet, and with the
beast let its portion be among the vegetation of the earth. Let its
heart be changed from that of mankind, and let the heart of a beast
be given to it, and let seven times pass over it. By the decree of
watchers the thing is, and [by] the saying of holy ones the request
is, to the intent that people living may know that the Most High is
Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants
to, he gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of
- Although I disagree with the
"1914" theory, these verses might
have simple parallels of fulfillment in principle - That is, Jehovah
deciding who will rule with Jesus and setting Jesus to be ruler over
them - Compare Psalms 110:1;
Isaiah 42:1; Jeremiah 33:14-16;
34:23,24; Daniel 12:1;
- Seeing that the two bands (or one made of two metals)
are made of two metals of the immense image in chapter 2, one
could deduce that it was the iron (Rome) ruling over God's
people when the Messiah proved to be worthy - However, he was to
sit at Jehovah's right hand until the appointed time - This is a
possibility in principle only because the tree represented a
king not of God's people.
- See also "copper" comment at Daniel 2:39b
Daniel 4:23-26 " 'And because the king beheld a watcher, even a
holy one, coming down from the heavens, who was also saying: "CHOP
the tree down, and RUIN it. However, LEAVE its rootstock itself in
the earth, but with a banding of iron and of copper, among the grass
of the field, and with the dew of the heavens let it become wet, and
with the beasts of the field let its portion be until seven times
themselves pass over it," this is the interpretation, O king, and
the decree of the Most High is that which must befall my lord the
king. And you they will be driving away from men, and with the
beasts of the field your dwelling will come to be, and the
vegetation is what they will give even to you to eat just like the
bulls; and with the dew of the heavens you yourself will be getting
wet, and seven times themselves will pass over you, until you know
that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to
the one whom he wants to he gives it. (vs.26) " 'And because they
said to leave the rootstock of the tree, your kingdom will be sure
to you after you know that the heavens are ruling."
- Compare "1914" link
Daniel 4:27 "Therefore, O king, may my counsel seem good to you, and
remove your own sins by righteousness, and your iniquity by showing
mercy to the poor ones. Maybe there will occur a lengthening of your
- Similar thought with Nineveh repenting thus leading to
a lengthening of days for them - Jonah
Daniel 4:29 "At the end of twelve lunar months..."
- This shows one of Daniel's methods of
time tracking (the lunar calendar)
Daniel 4:35 "And all the inhabitants of the earth are being
considered as merely nothing, and he is doing according to his own
will among the army of the heavens and the inhabitants of the earth.
And there exists no one that can check his hand or say to him, 'What
have you been doing?' "
- The king realized the need for humility
because Jehovah decides according to his own will - not because of
the will of any human or angel.
Daniel 4:37 "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, am praising and exalting and
glorifying the King of the heavens, because all his works are truth
and his ways are justice, and because those who are walking in pride
he is able to humiliate."
Daniel chapter 7 covers a time period from Babylon when Nebuchadnezzar
was king all the way into the reign of Jesus and includes our day
and near future.
Daniel 7:4 "The first one was like a lion and it had the wings of
an eagle. I kept on beholding until its wings were plucked out, and
it was lifted up from the earth and was made to stand up on two feet
just like a man, and there was given to it the heart of a man."
- This seems to describe king Nebuchadnezzar
Daniel 7:5 "And, see there! another beast, a second one, it being
like a bear. And on one side it was raised up, and there were three
ribs in its mouth between its teeth; and this is what they were
saying to it, 'Get up, eat much flesh.' "
- This seems to describe Medo-Persia world power
Daniel 7:6 "After this I kept on beholding, and, see there!
another [beast], one like a leopard, but it had four wings of a
flying creature on its back. And the beast had four heads, and there
was given to it rulership indeed."
- This "leopard" seems to describe Greece alone, in this
instance. However, in Daniel
8:5-9 Greece and Rome are depicted to both be part of the same beast
which is described as "a male of the goats" - Rome came from one of the four horns of
Daniel 7:7-8 "After this I kept on beholding in the visions of
the night, and, see there! a forth beast, fearsome and terrible and
unusually strong. And it had teeth of iron, big ones. It was
devouring and crushing, and what was left it was treading down with
its feet. And it was something different from all the [other] beasts
that were prior to it, and it had ten horns. I kept on considering
the horns, and, look! another horn, a small one, came up in among
them, and there were three of the first horns that were plucked up
from before it. And, look! there were eyes like the eyes of a man in
this horn, and there was a mouth speaking grandiose things." - See
main comment for these verses below:
- In light of how many of the symbolic beasts are presented, I
believe this represents the current worldwide political system
for multiple reasons. It has its roots from the previous beasts.
small horn of this beast has "eyes like the
eyes of a man" and "a mouth speaking grandiose things" This is also
just before it is judged (Daniel 7:9-12) - This small horn seems to be
the king of the north
mentioned in Daniel 11:36-39 just before his end and the arrival of
Michael (Daniel 12:1) and also part of the Wild beast with 10 horns
mentioned at Revelation 13:1b-8. The "three of the first horns that were
plucked up from before it" could refer to a near-future action of the
king of the north - perhaps this is the time when literal Jerusalem
is conquered. (Speculation: If Jerusalem was conquered by the king
of the north, it would humiliate the kings of Israel, Britain, and
America.) Simply put, this beast is Satan's will expressed through
nations against God's people in two different time periods - Satan
was given permission to sift Jesus' disciples in the first century
and he will do the same in our near future - Compare
Revelation 6:9-11 comments
- Daniel 7:19-21, 24-26: Notice the further description of the "another horn, a small
one". Once it displaces the three horns,
it appears "bigger" (vs.20 This may be from the
viewpoint from the greatness of its badness toward Jehovah -
Jonah 1:2). This horn is part of this "different" beast
(7:7; 7:19) Very shortly after it is destroyed (vs.26), the
"kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms
under all the heavens" are given to the holy ones (vs.27)
- Daniel 7:21,22: This "very" horn makes war upon the holy ones and was
depicted as "prevailing against them" just before judgment was
given in favor to the holy ones. See Daniel 11:21-45. This action against the holy ones does not
necessarily start in the "time of [the] end" (Daniel 11:40) but
could start a little before it - That is, a little while before
the the conquering of Jerusalem (see Daniel 11).
- Daniel 7:21: This "small horn" which is also depicted as a king of the
north in the time of [the] end (just before Jesus begins ruling)
is not the same as the king of the north mentioned at
Daniel 8:9-12. Although it has similar characteristics. They both
started out small and became greater. They both were allowed to
act and have success against Jehovah's holy people. And they
both capture and/or destroy the literal city Jerusalem (known as
"the constant [feature]" in The New World Translation).See
Revelation 17 comments)
Daniel 7:9-10 "I kept on beholding until there
were thrones placed and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing
was white just like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean
wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire.
There was a stream of fire flowing and going out from before him.
There were a thousand thousands that kept ministering to him, and
ten thousand times ten thousand that kept standing right before him.
The Court took its seat, and there were books
that were opened."
- The word translated here as "Court" is also
literally translated "The Judgment" (Ref.
footnote). This helps explain why "the horn" (the king of the north
for our day) is destroyed in verse 11. It is Judged by Jehovah's
"Court" as being unworthy to continue on existing. (Remember the
lesson from Daniel 4:17) This happens, most likely, towards the end of the
three and a half year period. See also
comments on Daniel 11:44-45.
- This "Ancient of Days" is Jehovah (See Daniel 7:13,14 and
compare Daniel 4:17)
Daniel 7:11 "I kept on beholding at that time
because of the sound of the grandiose words that the horn was
speaking; I kept on beholding until the beast was killed and its
body was destroyed and it was given to the burning fire."
- See comments for verses 7:9-10; 19-20;
Daniel 7:12 "But as for
the rest of the beasts,
their rulerships were taken away, and there was a lengthening of
life given to them for a time and a season."
- I am assuming that this is
referring to these beast's descendants from when they were world
powers. This is also in agreement with the ones who repent and
submit to Christ's kingdom (Psalms 2:12) See also comments on
Daniel 12:11-12. In other words, this is most likely speaking of those
kings and people who repent and submit to Jesus' kingdom when he
arrives in power and they are allowed to continue living (See
Jonah). This happens at the beginning of the
1,336 day period. This is part of the
beginning of the Judgment "day". See
Revelation 14:14-20 comments. The time that they had to repent
is taken from the 45 day period just
prior to this period.
Daniel 7:13-14 "I kept on beholding in the visions of the night,
and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of
man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained
access, and they brought him up close even before that One. And
him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the
peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him.
His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not
pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin."
- This describes in detail Jesus receiving rulership from
Jehovah and with that authority received he "stands up" when he is
ready to exercise that authority upon the earth - Daniel 12:1. See
Isaiah 9:6,7; 11:1-5,10;
Jeremiah 23:2-6; 33:15;
Ezekiel 17:22-24; 34:23-30; 37:15-25;
Zechariah 3:8; 6:12,13
- Concerning "with the clouds of the heavens" - compare
- Concerning "And to him there were given rulership...",
compare Psalms 110:1
Daniel 7:17-18 "" 'As for these huge beasts,
because they are four, there are four kings that will stand up from
the earth. But the holy ones of the Supreme One will receive the
kingdom, and they will take possession of the kingdom for time
indefinite, even for time indefinite upon times indefinite.' "
- Any remaining of any kingdoms will pass their
glory and submission to "the holy ones of the Supreme One". This
starts when Michael stands up - See Daniel 12:1 comments
Daniel 7:19-20 "Then it was that I desired to
make certain concerning the fourth beast, which proved to be
different from all the others, extraordinarily fearsome, the teeth
of which were of iron and the claws of which were of copper, which
was devouring [and] crushing, and which was treading down even what
was left with its feet; and concerning the ten horns that were on
its head, and the other [horn] that came up and before which three
fell, even that horn that had eyes and a mouth speaking grandiose
things and the appearance of which was bigger than that of its
- Describes the "different" forth beast - See comments for
verses 7-8. In addition, the "horn" that was seen "speaking
grandiose things" is a reflection of the beast's attitude that it is
a part of. See comments for Revelation
17:12-13. It also helps to identify it
as the king of the north for our time - See comments Daniel 11:36-39.
This horn apparently became bigger and, I believe is talking about
the horn in verse 8. That fits well with "and he will carry on
deception and actually come up and become mighty by means of a
little nation." (See Daniel 11:23 comments)
Daniel 7:21 "I kept on beholding when
horn made war upon the holy ones, and it was prevailing against
- This is not "Har-Magedon" - The
"holy ones" mentioned here are the second group of witnesses to
be fully put to the test and "conquer" Satan's kingdom as Jesus did
- See Revelation 17:14
Daniel 7:22 " until the Ancient of Days came and
judgment itself was given in favor of the holy ones of the Supreme
One, and the definite time arrived that the holy ones took
possession of the kingdom itself."
- The "judgment" most likely occurs once they "come to
life" (During the 45 day period) and are accepted and forgiven by
Jehovah (Revelation 11 "two witnesses"). Then it shows that "the definite
time arrived that the holy ones took possession of the kingdom
itself" - This is the time period of and after "Har-Magedon" (Revelation
16:13-16) when Michael stands up (Daniel 12).
- Compare Zechariah 3:1-10 to see how it is Jehovah who makes
the decisions on who will rule with Jesus. This account deals
with the first group of the "two witnesses" mentioned in
Daniel 7:23 "This is what he said, 'As for
fourth beast, there is a fourth kingdom that will come to be on the
earth, that will be different from all the [other] kingdoms; and it
will devour all the earth and will trample it down and crush it."
- Compare comments from Daniel 7:7
- This "it will devour all the earth and will trample it down
and crush it." phrase is interesting - See comments for Daniel
7:7,8. Also, this beast is a reflection of Satan's attitude
toward man's salvation - See the Why
Daniel 7:24-25 "And as for the ten horns, out of
that kingdom there are ten kings that will rise up; and still
another one will rise up after them, and he himself will be
different from the first ones, and three kings he will humiliate.
And he will speak even words against the Most High, and he will
harass continually the holy ones themselves of the Supreme One. And
he will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into
his hand for a time, and times and half a time."
- This seems to be an elaboration of Daniel 7:19-20 and it tells
us the time period of the three and a half
times. Compare Revelation 11:1,2
Daniel 7:26 "And the Court itself proceeded to
sit, and his own rulership they finally took away, in order to
annihilate [him] and to destroy [him] totally."
- See Daniel 7:9-10 comments. This king of the north is
judged and comes "to his end" (Daniel 11:45)
Daniel 7:27 " 'And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of
the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are
the holy ones of the Supreme One. Their kingdom is an indefinitely
lasting kingdom, and all the rulerships will serve and obey even
- See Revelation 11:15 comments.
Daniel 8:1-27 This is a vision of Daniel of two
beasts. The first one represents Media and Persia. The second beast
represents Greece and Rome. It is the effects of this second beast
that Jesus warned his disciples about in Matthew 24 and Luke 21.
These effects were to last longer the beast itself!
- Daniel 8:8-12
- Daniel 8:10 Speaking about Rome; "And it kept getting greater all
the way to the army of the heavens, so that it caused some of the
army and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it went
trampling them down." - Nineveh of old - in Jonah's day was
considered "a city great to God" (Jonah 1:2; 3:3) This term can also be
rendered "extremely great" or "divinely great" (Ref. bible footnote)
- This does not mean it did good things. It just meant it drew his
attention. Same thing with Pharaoh depicted as a great tree "high in
stature, so that it put its treetop even among the clouds.."
(Ezekiel 31:10). The term "stars" reminds me of the "stars"
mentioned in Revelation 1:20 namely the older men or spiritual
leaders of the congregations (Revelation 2:1).
- Daniel 8:11,12,13 all use the term "the
constant [feature]". The ref. footnote for this term in verse
11 states: "Or, 'the continual [sacrifice],'
.." // This helps to identify this "feature" as Jerusalem when one
compares 1 Chronicles 23:31 where it is talking
about Levite duties in Jerusalem; "and for every
offering up of the burnt sacrifices to
Jehovah at the sabbaths, at the new moons and at the festival
seasons, by number according to the rule concerning them,
constantly before Jehovah." (Highlights
mine) Compare also where worship is continuous at Numbers 4:16; 29:6
(below); Zechariah 14:7-9;
Revelation 21:22-27; 22:1-5; and the
points immediately below. Keep in mind that the brackets "[ ]"
include a word that has been interjected by the translator to
"assist" in clarity of thought.
- The Hebrew word translated as "constant" is
"tamiyd" (#8548) by the
Abingdon's Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible and
it is defined as: "from an unused root mean. to stretch;
prop. continuance (as indef. extension); but
used only (attributively as adj.) constant (or adv.
constantly); ellipt. the regular (daily)
sacrifice:- away (-s), continual (employment, -ly), daily, ([n])
ever (-more), perpetual."
- There are only 7 places where this word is used in the
bible: (highlights mine)
- Daniel 8:11 "And all the way to the Prince of the army
it put on great airs, and from him the
constant [feature] was taken away, and the
established place of his sanctuary was thrown down."
- Daniel 8:12 "And an army itself was gradually given
over, together with the constant
[feature], because of transgression; and it kept throwing
truth to the earth, and it acted and had success."
- Daniel 8:13 "And I got to hear a certain holy one
speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the
particular one who was speaking: "How long will the vision
be of the constant [feature] and
of the transgression causing desolation, to make both [the]
holy place and [the] army things to trample on?"
- Daniel 11:31 "And there will be arms that will stand up,
proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the
sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the
- Daniel 12:11 "And from the time that the
constant [feature] has been
removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing
that is causing desolation, there will be one thousand two
hundred and ninety days."
- Numbers 4:16 "And the oversight of Eleazar the son of
Aaron the priest is over the oil of the luminary and the
perfumed incense and the constant
grain offering and the anointing oil, the oversight of all
the tabernacle and all that is in it, namely, the holy place
and its utensils."
- Numbers 29:6 "aside from the monthly burnt offering and
its grain offering and the constant
burnt offering and its grain offering, together with their
drink offerings, according to the regular procedure for
them, as a restful odor, an offering made by fire to
- The Interlinear Bible translates the word as "continual"
in Numbers 4:16; 29:6; "daily" in
Daniel 8:11,12; "regular" in Daniel
8:13; 11:31; 12:11
- When comparing all the information above including 1
Chronicles 23:31; Zechariah 14:7-9;
Revelation 21:22-27; 22:1-5,
"the constant [feature]" or "the continual [sacrifice]" are
referring to Jerusalem - Literal or Spiritual. In these cases,
the term "the continual [feature]"; "the continual
[sacrifice]"; "the regular [sacrifice]"; "the daily
[sacrifice]" refer to a location that can be identified
throughout the centuries. It does not matter if the people
in Jerusalem are "God's people" at the time -
See the "Who are God's people today?" site page. This
idea is also used in Daniel 11:31; 12:11
- Daniel 8:12 "And an army itself was gradually given over, together
with the constant [feature], because of transgression; and it kept
throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had great success."
- This reminds me of the statement of Jesus when he told his disciples
that "Satan has demanded to have YOU men to sift you as wheat."
(Luke 22:31) - Satan used his authority to the furthest extent
possible and he gradually had a certain success.
- It is
also interesting how this was allowed to happen in part due to
"because of transgression". -
"Transgression" (#6588) is defined (Strong's) as: a "rebellion, sin,
transgression, trespass" - I am leaning to believe that this is
talking to the Jewish religious system but it could involve all
parties (the army and the "transgression causing desolation" in
verse 13 which is the "small horn" that "grew very much greater"
(Rome -vs.9). - It is hard to decipher because they (original
languages) did not use commas back then and they were added later.
- Daniel 8:13,14 "...'How long will the
vision be of the constant [feature] and of the
transgression causing desolation, to
make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?'
So he said to me: 'Until two thousand three hundred evenings
[and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought
into its right condition.' "
- Simply put, this "transgression
causing desolation" was the hairy he-goat in this vision.
It was a "horn" (Rome) of this beast that persecuted God's
people. This beast's conquest had its beginning in 334 BCE and the
effects of putting the holy place in the "wrong" condition
ended in June 1967 at the end of the "6 day war" where
Israel captured and controlled all of Jerusalem. See
- Regarding Jerusalem today: The borders are larger
then what they were in the first century. Actually, the
walls of Jerusalem from the first century seem to have
resided entirely in what is known as "East Jerusalem"
today and was captured by Israel in the 1967 "six day"
war. Although it is good to note that the term
"East Jerusalem" has different definitions. So, if
one was to just view the geographical location of the
original city from the first century, one could say that
Israel did not have any of it since 70 CE. along
with their army - with both being "trampled on"
- See the "1914" page and videos for
- Daniel 8:17:b "Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the
time of the end."
- The Emphasized Bible: "that < to the time of
the end > belongeth the vision".
- NIV Interlinear: "that the vision
concerns the time of the end".
- King James Version: "for at the time
of the end shall be the vision"
- This is in reference to the events
in verses 8 thru 14. It could refer to the time of the end of this
vision and / or the time of the end defined as the time period just
before Jesus standing up and / or the time of the destruction of
Jerusalem in the first century. In either case, the end of the vision here
is, in my interpretation, the year 1967 - See
1914 link. The time between the end
of this vision and the next destruction or conquering of Jerusalem
is not made evident that I know of. Some might speculate that it is
45 years from 1967 till 2012 and that this might be a possibility.
However, the theory is very week. The starting of the
three and a half year time period could
start today. It would be dangerous to put faith
in a week theory - that is what happened with 1914. And what would
happen if someone put too much faith in 2012 and it came before
then? - Or perhaps after 2012? The important thing to remember that
Daniel says that those knowing their God will prevail.
So, we should be alert and watch for the sign
of Jerusalem being captured or conquered from the action of
the "arms" of the king of the north. - Those events
together are the
beginning of the 1,290 days (Daniel 12:11,12)
- Daniel 8:20-22 ( ) Helps identify Rome as described in verses 23 -
25 ( ). Notice how this king of the north has a different end then
for the one in our day (Daniel 11:21-45). Verse25 states: "but it will
be without hand that he will be broken." This is the same king of
the north described in Daniel 11:9-20. Notice how it describes his
downfall in the end of verse 20: "he will be broken, but not in
anger nor in warfare." Rome also has similar actions as the king of
the north of our day. Especially is this so in actions to bring the
holy people to ruin using deception, and boastfulness. Sure does sound
like Satan and it is from the fact that Satan controls the nations -
to the furthest extent possible to destroy the righteous seed.
- Daniel 8:23-25 Rome (as part of the
he-goat) acts and prevails against God's people and destroys
Jerusalem that represented the location of "continual
- Notice "but it will be without hand
that he will be broken" - this represents the fading
away of the "horn" and its beast that it was a part of. Rome
basically "faded away".
Daniel 9:27b "And upon the wing of
disgusting things there will be the one
causing desolation; and until an
extermination, the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also
upon the one lying desolate."
- The NIV renders this passage as: "And on a wing of the
temple, he will set up an abomination that
causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is
poured out on him."
- The rendering varies from translation to translation.
However, the important thing is to identify this "abomination
that causes desolation" in Jesus' day (see prior verses). This
would be Rome. And it is this "abomination" that Jesus is
referring to that causes the trampling of Jerusalem in
Luke 21:24. Compare Daniel 8:23-25 and
Daniel 11 Talks about kings and starts off with identifying the king
of Greece, Alexander the Great in verses 3 and 4.
- It appears that verses 9 thru 20 are somewhat repeated in
some areas but the king of the north here is Rome and the king
of the south is the Jewish nation with its "strong
position"(vs.12), "a city with fortifications"(vs.15) being
Jerusalem. It is very likely that Jesus was referring (along
with Daniel 8) to this area in Daniel when he was talking to his
disciples about difficult times to come (Mathew
24; Luke 21). But
Jesus was probably also referring to similar actions of the king
of the north in our day (vs.21-45). See also the
- I have had a difficult time deciding who verses 21
thru 24 was referring to. Was it Rome or the king of the north
for our day? It was not too easy because they have the same
mindset - being directed by Satan. What makes this hard too is
in verse 22 "the Leader of [the] covenant" seems to refer to
Jesus. However, the NIV interlinear words it as "a prince", the
Emphasized Bible "the prince of a covenant". This could refer
directly or indirectly to Jesus (Matthew 25:40). But after much
studying, I believe verses 21-24 refer to the king of the north
for our day. Verse 23 seems to be
referring to verse 32. Also, If one "works
backwards" in the timeline in Daniel, one realizes that the king
of the north of our day destroys (or conquers) literal Jerusalem.
11:23 uses the term "by means of a little nation" - the Ref.
footnote: or "fewness of a nation" - This could be referring to
the trampling upon God's people - His badness "reaching to God"
or becoming "great to God") as the city of Nineveh did (Jonah)-
(see Daniel 7:20)- And verse 23 does appear to be referring to
- Also, there is a difference between the ending of the king
of the north for our day (vs.45) and the ending of the king of the north of
early Christian times (vs.20). There is also a difference with
the kings of the south. In verse 10, it mentions the king of the
south goes back to this fortress (Jerusalem) and it does not
mention that the king of the south (back then) had a large army
as it does for the king of the south for our day (vs.25 "...and
the king of the south, for his part, will excite himself for the
war with an exceedingly great and mighty military force."
- With the above taken into consideration, I believe that
verses 21 thru 24 are talking about the kings of the north and
south for our day. And also that verses 25
thru 45 elaborates on verses 21 thru 24. The critical identification of a point in time (for us)
is when the king of the north destroys or conquers Jerusalem
(vs.31). - See comments on
- Notice in verse 27 how it seems that diplomacy occurs but in
- Notice verse 28 shows that the king of the north goes back
to his land with "a great amount of goods" - much different then
the king of the north in early Christian times. This is also
done after diplomacy (vs.27). This verse also shows how the king
of the north's determination is against the holy ones - Along
with the wild beast's determination mentioned in
- It seems that starting with verse 30b "And he..." thru verse
31, this is an elaboration of verse 28.
- Verses 29-30 shows another war campaign of the king of the
north but that "he will have to become dejected" -see vs.30b
- Verse 31 - For a detailed
description of the "arms that will stand up, proceeding
from him" see the 1,290 day page
- Verse 31 - The "constant [feature]" is "removed" - Jerusalem
is destroyed or conquered by the king of the north. - See also
the "1914" page;
1,290 days. This
"constant [feature]" is also translated "continual [sacrifice]"
- See Jeremiah 33:18;
- Verses 32-39 speaks of actions of the king of the north of
our time. Some of these actions could (and I believe they have
already have) start before the fall of the present day city of
- Verse 32 "And those acting wickedly against [the] covenant"
could be anyone who purposefully continues to apostatize by
holding on to false scriptural teachings - Perhaps a misguided
devotion to brother Russell's teachings. The king of the north
will try to "lead" ones into apostasy by "smooth words" - This
could be some type of agreement between the king of the north
and those who want to hold onto false beliefs or trickery to get
God's people to "receive the mark" of the wild beast. The term "smooth
words" may denote the settings of a trap or acting with
hypocrisy (see vs.34). Notice: Other prophesy
denotes that a world-wide ban will take place on God's people.
So this warning can apply to all. See
Revelation 13:7 comments.
- Verses 33-35 talk about some of those who have insight and
that many will be made to stumble because of them. This very
well could be true with the ongoing unscriptural teachings of
brother Russell. A cleansing or whitening work of understanding
scriptural truths is what is happening. This is part of a
separating and preparing work within God's people so they
can be measured (Malachi 4:5,6;
Revelation 21:9-21) Anyone promoting a false teaching as being
from God is a false prophet and will need
Jehovah to forgive them because they sinned against him -
see Zechariah 13:2-6; 3:4; James 5:15
- Verse 34 "they will be helped with a little help" - See
Ezekiel 7:26; 11:16 for possible parallel
- Verse 34 "..and many will
certainly join themselves to them by means of smoothness." -
The Interlinear Bible translates it this way: "..But many
will join them, with hypocrisy." // So here we can see the
possibility of government or other spies and/or hypocrites
joining themselves to God's people although God's people at this
time have endured times of "sackcloth" - Compare
- Verse 36-39 shows how the king of the north of our time will
"magnify himself" and will give glory "to the god of fortresses"
(to "worship" military might) - This is more of a
"principle ideal" rather then a location (my guess) and there
can be more then one - as with the "king of the south".
- Verses 40-45 repeats actions mentioned in verses 25-30 but
with slightly different information. Notice vs.44-45 "But there
will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and
out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage
in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction ....
and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will
be no helper for him." - This could also have been foretold at
Isaiah 46:11 referring to Jehovah; "the one calling from the
sunrising a bird of prey, from a distant land the man to execute
my counsel" Remember Daniel 7:26 when it refers to the king of
the north for our day; "And the Court itself proceeded to sit,
and his own rulership they finally took away, in order to
annihilate [him] and to destroy [him] totally." -
(Speculation: If the king of the north is Russia, (there are
other kings of the north - "north" representing types of
governments) and if Russia comes up another time against
America, Russia would be seriously threatening China's (and
perhaps other Eastern government's) best and
most relied upon customer. Plus this would be an opportunity for
China (and perhaps other Eastern government's) to exalt itself as a world power. China is "out of the
sunrising" or the east and it probably will be more then
just China. This most likely happens
toward the end of the three and a half year time period.
However, when someone takes into
consideration the comments for
Revelation 6:2, this phrase "out of the sunrising" can refer
to as: "being given authority by Jehovah" + "to conquer" -
So it is possible that it could be a king(s) authorized by
Jehovah to destroy the king of the north - while they themselves
are "of the north" - that is, they share similar philosophies.
- At the defeat of the king of the north, this could be cause
for great rejoicing. Possibly, "Peace and security!"
Daniel 12:1 "And during that time Michael will stand up, the great
prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And
there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been
made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. And
during that time your people will escape, every one who is found
written down in the book." - This seems to happen very soon after
the king of the north is defeated. (Matthew 24:21,22) And after the
approximate 45 day period to show
repentance. For more information regarding "stand" see the
1,290 days page.
- Verse 2 - Resurrections start of "many of those asleep in
the ground of dust"
- Verse 3 - "And the ones having insight will shine like the
brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many
to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even
- Verse 4 shows us that the words are "sealed up" until the
time of the end.
- Verse 6 The question is asked: "How long will it be to the
end of the wonderful things?" The Emphasized Bible:
"How long shall be the end of the wonders?" The NIV
Interlinear: "How long will it be before these astonishing
things are fulfilled?" - The time period is given twice. Once in
verse 7; "It will be for an appointed time, appointed times and
a half." It continues to say when it ends: "And as soon as there
will have been a finishing of the dashing of the power of the
holy people to pieces, all these things will come to their
finish." Another more accurate time period along with the start
time is given in verse 11; "And from the time the constant
[feature] has been removed and there has been a placing of the
disgusting thing that is causing desolation, there will be one
thousand two hundred and ninety days." The reasoning that these
are the same time periods is found at the timeline
page and the 1,290 day page - (See also the "1914"
link) - See also Daniel 8:11-13; 11:31 comments and
Jeremiah 33:18. This is a time of great tribulation for God's people
and others. Satan is restricted to the earth. Jehovah removes
his spirit from "his people" to allow a cleansing and it is
at this time that Jesus takes "half" of spiritual Jerusalem into
the "wilderness" for three and a-half years. The other "half"
will be sealed by the time of the completion of the "dashing of
the power of the holy people to pieces". Satan is allowed to
test God's people to the limit as he did with the Christians of
old. - See also the site page
"Who are God's people today?"
- Verses 9 and 10 are repeat information.
- Between verses 11 and 12, there are
45 days. This
corresponds with a time period at Matthew
24:29-31 and Revelation
11:11-13 and events in the
book of Jonah - See timeline. The
very start of this time period (three and a half days) appears
to be when the "two witnesses" appear to be "dead" to the
nations - They no doubt rejoice due to the "stinging" messages
from them. But a great sign is seen and they realize they acted
against God's people. They need to repent or die. It could be
that most will repent and will turn on Babylon the Great and
destroy her (See Revelation 11:11-13
and 14:6-11 comments)
- Verse 12: "Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation
and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and
thirty-five days!" - This would be at the end of the 45 day
period when Michael begins his rule on earth. For those who do
not repent or submit - they are destroyed along with the king of the south
(Revelation 16:13-14; 19:11-21)
- See timeline. However, great
rejoicing occurs with God's people - they will walk in pride (to
the glory of Jehovah - Isaiah 45:17). See
- Verse 13: "And as for you yourself, go toward the end; and
you will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of
the days." Daniel was given assurance that although he would
die, he would be resurrected.